Empire State Bldg and Twin Towers were hit by planes but only the Towers Fell; Why?


 

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On This Date In History: At about 9:49 AM on July 28, 1945 a B-25 Mitchell hit the 79th floor of the world’s then tallest building, the Empire State Building.  Two crew members and a passenger were killed in the bomber and 11 people in the building were killed as well. The building was largely empty because the accident happened on a Saturday. 

Now, why did this building not collapse like the Twin Towers? 

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Hole left by B-25

Hole left by B-25

Model of Empire State Bldg Superstructure

Model of Empire State Bldg Superstructure

 First off, the B-25 was a relatively small plane by today’s standards.  It was also not full of fuel.  The 767’s flown into the World Trade center weighed about 10 times that of the B-25 and was flying about 4 times faster.  The chart at the left shows that the kinetic energy of a fully loaded 767 at impact was about 160 times that of the B-25.  I have linked below to the article that goes with the chart as well as an accompanying article writer with Aerospaceweb used numbers that concluded the energy was 60 to 100 times greater. 

The Twin Towers were built with a superstructure unlike any other.  The main support system was internal with the outer skin actually acting as part of the support structure.  The Empire State Building is built in a more traditional honeycomb type system.  When the B-25 hit, much of the energy was absorbed by the outer walls whereas the Twin Towers not only had the destruction of the outer skin compromise the integrity, but the

WTC Support Derived from Center Support and Outer Skin

WTC Support Derived from Center Support and Outer Skin

energy went all the way through to the main interior structure.  Many engineers found it amazing that the building was still standing at all.  The impact dislodged much of the heat protecting insulation on the steel in the support structure of the World Trade Center and so the voluminous amounts of hot jet fuel eventually weakened the floor supports, causing a collapsing pancake effect of the floors which resulted in catastrophic failure of the entire structural integrity.  Similar incidents with very dissimilar details and results.  Here is the complete story from Aerospaceweb which outlines the incident in 1945 and makes a detailed comparisons.

Why Empire State Building Did Not Collapse After Being Struck By B-25 Compared with WTC

Explainer About Differences in WTC and Empire State Building with Commentary & Graph

Wednesday Evening

Wednesday Evening

Weather Bottom Line:  With the clouds so prevalent today, I suspect it will be very difficult for us to hit 90 and this was the last slight chance to do so for the rest of the month.  So,  without the unexpected happening, it appears that we will have the first July in Louisville recorded history without a 90 degree day and thats a tough thing to do considering that these days the official numbers are kept at the airport. 

We have a front approaching slowly.  It should be here by Wednesday evening.  Couple of things….not totally out of the realm of possibility that we get an isolated t’storm or two popping up in the heat of this afternoon.  But, the rain chances will ramp up for Wednesday.  Right now, severe weather does not appear to be too likely but there does appear to be a wave that will run along the front as it moves through.  Not totally out of the question that some stronger storms get initiated by the wave as it rolls through.  Then it appears that the front will get hung up so rain chances with numerous clouds will remain for the rest of the week.

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  1. To answer your questions: There were NO commercial planes on 9-11. It was all a lie. After 8 years not ONE single piece of debris has EVER been verified, tested, analyzed, or inspected in ANY WAY from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations from 9-11. It was another US lie to spend trillions and kill millions.

  2. Great information, Bob. Of course one might say, “They just don’t make ’em like they used to!”.

  3. You can’t believe the number of people who think that 911 didn’t happen the way it has been publically brought forth. So many people also don’t know about the B-25 incident.

  4. an interesting point of view….do you have any substative support?

  5. I had heard about the B-25 incident before. It was pretty fascinating to compare the minimal damage to the Empire State Bldg to the Twin Towers. I think that the Twin Towers were more elegantly designed but nowhere near as substantial as the Empire State Building–that thing was built like a tank! I would imagine that the twin towers probably would have fared better than the Empire State Building if there had been a major earthquake instead of airplanes hitting them. I doubt either engineering team designed either building to take a direct hit from a 757 or a 767 flying at 600 mph though!

    Faked, huh? Wow. Of course in this world we live in it’s hard to know very much for absolute certain. We are forced to rely upon those that give us information since it would not be possible for those of us who work every day and take care of our families to verify very much with any real certainty. At the end of the day we have to believe SOMEONE so it’s all whom you chose to believe, I suppose. It would be very hard for me to believe in such a far-reaching conspiracy. I mean think of all the people who would have had to have been involved (including all the major news outlets at some level) to perpetrate such a lie. I mean the cameras were all rolling when the second plane hit. How could you fake something like that unless all the major media outlets were involved in the conspiracy. It would have to be an absolutely HUGE conspiracy. At the end of the day we have to chose what we want to believe so I chose to believe that it really happened and that airplanes were really used in all the attacks (including the pentagon). Maybe I’ve been duped but I really, really doubt it. No dis-respect intended, by the way!

  6. No modern scyscraper can collapse due to fire or planes – only demotions. WTC-7 wasn’t hit by a plane – and the WTC 1 & 2 collapsed long after the plane impacts. Besides, fully exposed steel won’t melt from such a fire – check the Windsor tower fire in Madrid.

  7. Humm, interesting theory, but what is a “demotions”?? Where the buildings demoted by their boss and thus very depressed so they killed themselves?? Probably about as good a theory as the one listed above.

  8. I can’t help but wonder if the Empire State wasn’t just built better and could perhaps withstand even a larger, heavier and faster plane hitting it than the one which collided with it in 1945. I could be wrong, but whenever I look at that building it just seems stronger. Of course that really means nothing. From what I understand, there was a rush to get the WTC complex completed in the 70’s and that the buildings weren’t adequately fireproofed. It’s also unlikely many buildings can stand the structural damage of being hit by such fast-moving missiles. I lived in the city during the attacks – slept through them across the river in Brooklyn – and I remember that acrid yellow plume shooting out of Lower Manhattan. So much went up in flames that day. So many things caught on fire. The force of the planes explosions sent paper up in the air that landed as far away as Brighton Beach.

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  10. Great info.

  11. A few years ago I watched an interesting documentary on the B-25 incident. Thanks for providing this information on the physics of airplanes striking the twin towers and Empire State buildings. Hopefully, it will help dilute the accusations by conspiracy theorists.

  12. You’d be surprised. I”m getting attacked either by those who say that the physics presented by others is wrong or that its all a cover up for the “real murderers.”

  13. Look up Richard Gage and Danny Jawenko. Google vid or youtube

  14. Q: “I doubt either engineering team designed either building to take a direct hit from a 757 or a 767 flying at 600 mph though!”

    A: That is actually incorrect. The builders of the WTC’s specifically designed their buildings to be able to withstand an impact from a jet liner. No other building in the world had ever been designed with that in mind. At ground level, no commercial plane can fly at 600 mph, the air is too dense! Any speed above 300 mph and the plane will disintegrate. The air is too thick unlike at 30,000 feet where 600 mph is very easy. For the supposed planes of 9-11 550-600 mph was the “official” speed determined by the videos. That is impossible. The explanation: there were no commercial planes on 9-11. It was all a lie to spend trillions and kill millions.

    Q: “At the end of the day we have to believe SOMEONE so it’s all whom you chose to believe, I suppose”

    A: During a crash scene investigation involving airliners, beliefs and belief systems are irrelevant. This is not church or a ghost sighting. These are crashed planes. Only verifiable debris and wreckage mean anything. After 8 years not one single SPECK of debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations has ever been verified in any way. Nothing. There are NO engines, no tailsections, no seats, none of the black boxes, voice data recorders, or flight data recorders had serial numbers. The engines alone were 6 TONS EACH, 9 Feet Wide, Titanium Alloys…..and ALL EIGHT of the engines vanished on 9-11 from all 4 locations. None have ever been verified. Nothing.

    Q: “hard for me to believe in such a far-reaching conspiracy. I mean think of all the people who would have had to have been involved (including all the major news outlets at some level) to perpetrate such a lie”

    A: Watch “September Clues” online for an introduction into the lies of 9-11. The US media corporations are owned by the US military corporations. GE owns NBC, Westinghouse owns CBS and 60 minutes. The US is the only country in the world where the media corporations are owned by the military corporations. The reason every other country does not allow this is because the military may stage an attack to help its bottom line??!!!! Thus 9/11! One of the major issues that people will come to terms with in regards to the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9/11 is the fact that they were lied to by their “trusted” media corporations. Did the media conspire and lie about the WMD’s in Iraq? Did the military conspire and lie about the WMD’s in Iraq? Following orders can be a form of conspiracy though to many involved in the largest mass murder in US history, many will just say they were following orders. Look at exactly who was interviewed on the day of 9-11. ALL of them had direct ties to US media/military corporations. Every single one of them.

    Q: “I mean the cameras were all rolling when the second plane hit.”
    A: Excellent point. There were dozens of military Grade 9 clearance helicopters filming WTC 2 before the explosions. Amazingly, on the day of 9-11, ONLY 7 SECONDS OF TOTAL FOOTAGE WAS SEEN with regards to the 2nd plane on 9-11!!!! 5 camera angles and only 7 seconds of combined film!!!! Always remember that the FBI vetted and had in their possession every single film and photo of 9-11 BEFORE you saw it! On 9-11 the FBI, FEMA, Secret Service, and the OEM just so happen to be running a terrorist training drill AT ground zero called Tripod II. Thousands of military and government agents were already at the WTC’s on that very morning. (Guess who the “man on the street” interviews were done by? Lucky for the agents?)

    Q: “How could you fake something like that unless all the major media outlets were involved in the conspiracy?”

    A: Not only that, it is also about maintaining the lie and conspiracy. That is why the US media corporations never asked a single question about the validity of WMD’s in Iraq. They were already complicit in 9-11 and other events anyhow. Once you know that these same media corporation parent companies have made well over a TRILLION dollars BECAUSE of the events that they showed you on 9-11, it should not be surprising as to their complicity and cover-up. (GE the owner of NBC has also received $250 Billion in TARP funds, $250 Billion in “reconstruction contracts”, $250+ Billion in no-bid military contracts…..and never forget the war is never ending and global!!)

    Q: “It would have to be an absolutely HUGE conspiracy.”

    A: google Hitler and the “Big Lie”. There are soooo many similarities between the US government today and Germany in the 1930’s that is would fill an encyclopedia. Just know that the bigger the lie the more the masses will not question.

    Q: “At the end of the day we have to chose what we want to believe so I chose to believe”

    A: Except during airline crash investigations!!! Witnesses and video have never in aviation history verified a plane or a plane crash. Only verifiable wreckage does. Just like in crime scene history the witness or photo of blood has NEVER determined whose it was, the type, or the DNA. Only by physically verifying can you know. After 8 years not ONE single piece of debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations from 9-11 has EVER been verified in any way by anyone! Yet this is the reason that the US has borrowed trillions of dollars, killed millions of people, tortured without charges 100’s of thousands worldwide in a never ending global US war on terror.

    Q: “Maybe I’ve been duped but I really, really doubt it”

    A: Well…..keep doubting because you have been duped. The never ending global US war on terror is a fraud. There were no commercial planes on 9-11.

  15. Thank you for your contribution. feel free to comment any time.

  16. Symon…..do you have any questions about 9-11? One thing I try never to do is explain exactly “how” these criminals perpetrated their crimes. I don’t know, I didn’t plan 9-11. Just like I never want to know how a serial killer may have harmed all their victims. I will leave it up to history to decide. Once you begin to understand the implications of the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11 it begins to explain millions of previously unanswered questions and issues. It will take time to understand the full extent of what no commercial planes on 9-11 means.

    The US military and government spend Billions of dollars a year to monitor “truth groups” and websites to promote the “Lies of 9-11”. They will use every trick and tactic in the book to ridicule, threaten, cut-down, and discredit. That is fine. The truth can never be harmed. It welcomes tests and verification. There were no commercial planes on 9/11. It is conceivable that the never ending global US war on terror could kill over ONE BILLION PEOPLE…..based entirely on a fabricated lie. That is why I speak out.

    You are a very different website Symon. Why? After reading my post you wrote “Thank You and comment any time”? That is a very rare occurrence. I usually receive death threats. Never forget that millions of jobs and trillions of dollars in business is a stake should the world understand the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. Many will be ordered to harm you to maintain that “business”. Do you have any questions?

  17. Well, there’s no reason to be nasty, you weren’t. You have your opinion and others have theirs. That is what debate is about. The only quesiton that I have is that how do you say there is no evidence of planes. I recall seeing security video of the plane hitting the Pentagon. I recall seeing eyewitnesses on the freeway near the Pentagon say they saw it fly low overhead and smash into the building. I recall seeing a French documentary crew’s video. They were in New York shooting for a project and heard the plane, turned the camera up and clearly you see a jet flying into the building. I also think that it was more than just 7seconds of the plane flying in a circular manner into the second tower. Also, if there were no planes, how did all of those family members of the people on the planes report getting phone calls. We all remember the stories from the one over PA where the people tried to take over the plane. And I recall at least one woman who called her husband after the one from Washington DC was taken over. Finally, where are the people from the planes? Were they secretly killed? Were they given new identities? That’s a few hundred people you’d have to get to agree to disappear. I’ve heard lots of ideas but yours is the first to say that there were no planes. But again, its good to get an exchange. I typically don’t censor comments except for bad words or personal attacks on someone other than me. I have exchanged emails with people in debate though one time, the guy went and cherry picked the conversation to put on his website without my consent and he totally distorted what I said and made false assumptions and referred to them as fact. So, I was kinda PO’d then and am more careful now since he took a private conversation and not only made it public without my knowledge or consent, but also he did so malicioiusly and fraudulently.

  18. I have detailed answers to every single one of your questions. I will post my replies in just a few hours. Your questions are the top “standard” initial questions that you MUST come to terms with before moving forward. It will not happen overnight. I have been researching 9-11 every day for 4 years. You may not like or agree with my findings but I assure you they are based entirely on verifiable evidence unlike 1000’s of assumptions of 9-11. You my good sir have what is known as an open mind. That could be dangerous because you may actually understand the implications once you learn the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. The entire world has been lied to for so long by so many. Learning that you have been mislead by the ones you “trust” is going to be extremely painful. You were upset when someone misrepresented you and took who you were out of context without you permission…..now imagine the US military killing millions of people with your tax money on YOUR behalf based on a staged lie?!!! How would you feel then?

    (Thanx for not insulting or threatening me. That is usually the initial reaction to understanding the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. So much is at stake and a violent reaction is a very common occurrence. Keep your mind open and ONLY go by verifiable evidence. You have great questions. Write down every one of them regardless of what it may be or why. Understanding that there were no commercial planes on 9-11 will unfortunately bring about a boatload of other incriminating and revealing questions. It’s a journey Symon…..and if you are willing to try….I would be willing to help move you along. Thanx again and I’ll type soon.)

    One last thing……You need to watch all the episodes of “September Clues” and Simon Shack. It is an introduction into just how large the lies can go within our government, military, and military owned US media. It’s a good primer for you since this is the first you have ever heard that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. You will get frustrated at times which is why it will take some time to understand. Watch all the episodes inside and out. I will post my replies to your great questions shortly. Thanx again.

  19. Q: “how do you say there is no evidence of planes.”

    A: After 8 years not one single piece of debris has ever been verified from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations. The FBI has said it tested and verified nothing because “we all saw it on TV” (FOIA request 2008). Not one single piece has ever been verified. Witnesses, photos, and video have NEVER in aviation history verified a plane. The debris and wreckage is the ONLY evidence that can be presented in any court of law with regards to a plane crash. Not conflicting witnesses and extremely questionable videos and broadcasts…..only wreckage. If you are telling me that 4 planes crashed on 9-11…..what evidence are YOU providing?

    Q: “I recall seeing security video of the plane hitting the Pentagon.”

    A: View that video again. Look closely. Is that really Flight 77? The Pentagon is the most videoed building in the world. On 9-11 it over 85 detailed cameras focused DIRECTLY at the “point of impact” at the Pentagon. The FBI confiscated every single video and says the world can never view them because of national security ( a common excuse used thousands of times throughout 9-11). There were 6 cameras directly on the above wall at the exact site where the explosions occurred. Look at those videos. You can’t because of national security. So…I saw a video of a plane hit the Pentagon….look at the time and date stamp at the bottom left of your video…..”see” any problems? The reason you can never view the videos is because you would see something other than a commercial plane. Videos have never verified a plane or a plane crash. Only wreckage does. The next step will be to look at the displayed “debris” from the Pentagon. There’s a reason why the world is forbidden from every verifying what they showed you?

    Q: “I recall seeing eyewitnesses on the freeway near the Pentagon say they saw it fly low overhead and smash into the building”

    A: Learn EXACLTY who those people were. The media corporations are owned by the military corporations. When media is at the Pentagon telling the world that there were commercial planes as an actual witness, you must be on guard. What the media also did on 9-11 was completely ignore anyone who said they saw something OTHER than a plane. Five times more people at ground zero saw and heard NO PLANE AT ALL than those claiming to have either “heard” or “seen” a plane. Only a handful of people saw AND heard a commercial plane on 9-11. (For a good introduction into the “witnesses” start here: http://nomoregames.net/911/Fetzer_conference_vol_IV.pdf )
    The sound of a 767 going 600 mph at ground level would have ruptured your ear drums. In NYC EVERYONE would have heard these planes! There were people AT ground zero that heard NOTHING!!!! Except the explosions from the buildings. Ps…..witnesses have never in aviation history confirmed a plane or a plane crash. Only debris and wreckage does. There could have been 100billion witnesses……only debris verifies the plane. After 8 years not one single piece of debris from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations has EVER been verified in ANY way by ANYONE.

    Q: “I recall seeing a French documentary crew’s video. They were in New York shooting for a project and heard the plane, turned the camera up and clearly you see a jet flying into the building.”

    A: This will go down in history as the most horrific snuff film ever produced. The complicity and organizational skills of the media knew no bounds with regards to 9/11. Vanity Fair produced and edited this film. Learning the crimes and foreknowledge of certain officials and trusted “heroes” is tough to take for some people. I studied these brothers and their film for 6 months. Once you understand that there were no commercial planes on 9/11, that the FBI and Vanity Fair edited and vetted the film together, you will begin to understand just how sick these people are. (Ladder 7 was the one being filmed. They were the FIRST firemen at the WTC’s…..AND….the first ones out! Ladder 7 was the only ladder to suffer NO casualties of any kind. http://911foreknowledge.com/staged.htm
    http://www.spingola.com/JULES%20NAUDET%207.htm (This second site is the best. It is very extensive and is in multiple parts though this page starts on part 8 for some reason. It is long worded but essential in understanding who these “heroes” really are. You use the word “clearly” in terms of the “plane” in the Naudet film. Look again.

    Q: “I also think that it was more than just 7seconds of the plane flying in a circular manner into the second tower”

    A: The world thought that. I thought that. You still think that. Except…..ONLY 7 SECONDS of combined video of the 2nd plane was shown on 9-11. In Europe and the Middle East only TWO seconds of plane was shown!!! Australia had 7 seconds. AND….it NEVER showed the actual impact because the “plane” went conveniently behind WTC 1. The world NEVER actually saw the impact of the plane on 9-11. Days, weeks , months, and years LATER after the FBI has vetted and been in complete control of the other “videos” are they then released.

    Q: “how did all of those family members of the people on the planes report getting phone calls.”

    A: At the Moussaui trial in 2006 the FBI was forced to admit that NO CALL was actually ever completed. It shows numbers but there were NO connections on 9-11. Can you call someone a liar? I don’t know. Could they be staged calls to fool someone? I don’t know….only the killers will know that. Keep in mind exactly WHO these supposed people are that are telling you a loved one called. Mr. Olsen the husband of Barbara Olsen argued before the Supreme Court to end the Florida recount which then gave Bush the election win in 2000……he received this magical call. He also argued before the Supreme Court that said public officials have a DUTY to lie to the American people if and when deemed necessary! The planes did not have phones on the seats and cell calls would never have been possible for longer than 2 seconds if at all at those speeds and altitudes. Plus…there were no commercial planes on 9-11 anyhow. You will find MILLIONS of small details that can never seem to be explained because your mind keeps trying to accept the planes?!!

    Q: “We all remember the stories from the one over PA where the people tried to take over the plane.”

    A: That may have been the lets roll comment. That call never went through. The records show no call. Could they have been fooled? Who knows…..only the killers know what they did. Warning…speculation and opinion approaching: That particular flight 93 makes little sense at first. It was the plane that was to strike WTC7 but was delayed on the tarmac for 45 minutes and thus could not “make the crash scene”?

    Q: “where are the people from the planes?”

    A: Until the planes are verified…..they are missing persons. Look at EVERY single passenger aboard ALL the planes. According to “authorities” there were approximately 256 people combined. Look at each and every one of them. This site has a listing and detailed description of everyone. http://www.geocities.com/killtown/
    Explore that site. Also look at these: http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html
    Not ONE single family member got an independent DNA test. NOT ONE. When the AF pathology institute released their findings that all, except one, of the passengers DNA had been “confirmed” at the Pentagon site, experts from around the world were in complete disbelief, doubt, and even joking about the findings! If you do no independent testing you can never know if that’s actually someone’s DNA. You must get a sample or a relatives DNA for comparison. In other words, it was a fraud and quickly accepted as fact and moved on.

    Q: “Were they secretly killed? Were they given new identities?”

    A: Only the killers would know. When learning about 9-11, try not to “solve the crime”. Try not to understand exactly how and why these criminals and murders did what they did. Let history do that. All you need to learn is that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. Who knows what they did to those people. Sometimes I list an example to show what I personally think…here it is: At the WTC’s the workers found the severed hands of a stewardess aboard one of the flights. They were among the largest body parts found at the WTC’s. If these killers are willing to chop off someone’s hands and plant them as evidence…..you tell me what they did to the others? I personally never want to know. But once you find out EXACTLY who these people were that “died”….they were among the who’s- who of people that the military, government, oil, technology and financial wanted dead. One person I may have even lied near was Mr. Charles Falkenberg. He was the man who wrote the software that determined how bad the Exxon Valdez spill was! He was NOT a liked man to say the least with regards to the Bush administration and the oil industry!!!

    For every bit of information that I gave you…..I have over 1000 more for each one. It is very easy to become inundated and overwhelmed with the size of the information. Everyone learns at their own pace. Take your time. Study those websites and articles and always jot down any and all questions. It gives you the base to understand the scope of the lies. There were no commercial planes on 9-11. All issues and questions will become perfectly clear once you understand that truth. I am not here to argue or debate. I am here to teach. Four years ago I would have debated for months. Those days are over. The never ending global US was on terror is a murderous fraud.

    Lastly…..one thing that I’ve noticed many do after hearing for the first time that there were no commercial planes on 9-11…..is when the first question and reaction is: “well what about the passengers”? It makes you pause once you understand the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. After you’ve told someone that trillions of dollars have been borrowed and spent, Billions of people will be effected for generations to come in a never ending war, Millions of people have been killed based on a fabricated and staged lie, 100’s of thousands have been tortured without charges globally because of “terrorists” aboard planes on 9-11…..and the first question and thoughts are…..”well what about those 256 people”??!!!!!! It’s something that you will feel once you truly understand the truth and the implications of what no commercial planes on 9-11 means. It’s nothing personal, it just lets you know how strong the lies can be.

    If you are going to post these correspondences be prepared to be ridiculed and almost threatened by others who will DEMAND that you stop trying to understand the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. They will use every tactic in the book….and it becomes easy to identify.

  20. thank you for your point of view. BTW, the computer listed your comment in the spam folder. Good thing I checked it. No conspiracy. My guess is that the length is probably a parameter. Believe it or not, I have not gotten ridiculed or had death threats on this issue. The post was more about the Empire State building vs the Twin Towers and the typical opposition says that thermite was used to destroy the buildings and that evidence is that the came straight down. When I query, I typically find that the person arguing must have read their ideas somewhere else because they have no personal intuition about physics. No need for threats around here, everyone is allowed in the pool as long as they play nice.

  21. The reason that thermite and cordite tested positive and was found EVERYWHERE on 9-11 is because there was no jet fuel because there were no commercial planes on 9-11. Of course the buildings were demolished, there were no commercial planes. Jet fuel tested NEGATIVE at all 4 locations from all 4 “planes” on 9-11. The overwhelming smell of jet fuel would remain at all 4 locations for months regardless of the initial explosions. Look at the videos of the Pentagon and the WTC, firemen are using water hoses to spray a “jet fuel fire”!! Every fireman knows that you NEVER use water on a fuel fire….except on 9-11?

    Each Twin Tower was 110 Stories high. After they “collapsed due to fire from jet fuel” each tower fell into only ONE STORY HIGH!!!! 220 story high buildings fell into the mass of an average house at free-fall speed!!!!!
    WTC7 must be observed: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003&hl=en
    One of my favorites is watching Amy Goodman of NPR listening and watching the countdown of the controlled demolition of WTC7: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4094539209684370800

    The NIST report that no demolitions were used was written by CDI, Controlled Demolition Inc., which has a 60 year history of clandestine military and commercial demolitions worldwide. They were also the company that was paid $35 BILLION dollars to clean up ground zero, just like they did the OKCity Murrah building in 1995. As in OKCity…..CDI was doing “work” inside the buildings days and weeks before the demolitions at WTC’s 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7……they were also hired by the SAME company that did the reinforcement “work” at the exact wall of the Pentagon where the “plane” hit. FEMA in 2001 was headed by none other than Joe Allbaugh….Bush’s right hand man for 15 years. Joe later became head of Blackwater during Katrina. Not to get too far ahead…..the levees in New Orleans were detonated after Katrina had left. My research of 9-11 began after I investigated Katrina. The same people and demolition companies were at the levee systems just before and after their collapse that were in NYC just before 9-11. Local police in New Orleans shot and killed 5 “contractors” because they were “going around blowing up the levees”! (This never made your evening news and has since been placed into the memory hole for good reasons.)

    Symon……I am not here to debate. I am not here to argue, give opinion, or express my point of view. I am here to teach. If you can handle the truth that there were no commercial planes on 911, I can help you. The idea of terrorism is engrained into the psyche of every American every day. There were no commercial planes on 9-11. No planes= no terrorists. The never ending global US war on terror is a fraud.

  22. i know why the empire state building did not collapse because the empire state building crash did not happen for real it was just a movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. STUPID

  24. The reason that there will always be massive problems with the passenger lists is because there were no commercial planes on 9-11.

    The reason there will NEVER be a single piece of verified debris from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9-11 is because there were no commercial planes on 9-11.

    The reason that the buildings were demolished and detonated is because there was no jet fuel because there were no commercial planes on 9-11.

    The reason no “highjackers” names appear on ANY of the passenger lists on ANY of the 4 flights is because there were no commercial planes on 9-11.

    The reason that NO engines, NO tailsections, NO seats, NO fuselage, NO luggage, and NOTHING from any of the planes has ever been found and verified is because there were no commercial planes on 9-11.

    The reason that NONE of the 4 flights on 9-11 have take-off records is because there were no commercial planes on 9-11.

    The reason that NOT ONE PENNY has been paid from insurance companies to replace the planes themselves is because they pay only be verifiable debris….and there isn’t any….because there were no commercial planes on 9-11.

    The reason Bush threatened Congressman to never investigate 9-11, then delayed the investigation 18 months, then hand picked the Commission members, then gave them a $3 million dollar budget to investigate ALL of 9-11 (Clinton/Lewinsky scandal got $60 million to investigate!!), had Commission members quit because they said the Commission was a fraud because they were never going to be allowed to inspect the plane wreckage because of “national security”……is because there were no commercial planes on 9-11.

  25. Interesting viewpoint. How do you explain all of the video and eyewitnesses. Was that an illusion?

  26. No commercial planes on 9-11 is not a viewpoint. That’s like saying the sky is blue is a viewpoint. There were no commercial planes on 9-11. Never in aviation history…has a witness OR video EVER verified a plane or plane crash….UNTIL 9-11. 9-11 became the FIRST aviation crash in world history (even the Wright brothers verified their first crash through wreckage!) which ONLY video and witnesses “proved and verified” an aviation crash scene. Only wreckage verifies a plane crash. After NINE YEARS…not one single piece of debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations on 9-11 has ever been verified in any way by anyone!

    Were the WMD’s in Iraq an illusion? No…it was an intelligence failure…even though the US is still bombing Iraq everyday for 6 years based solely on an admitted lie and fraud. What makes you think these criminals would lie to kill and spend on one war and not another? There were no commercial planes on 9-11. Watch “September Clues” for an introduction.

    ps….what about the MILLIONS of videos and 100’s of MILLIONS of eyewitnesses to UFO alien spacecraft that visit planet earth every year? Well…..even though millions are eyewitnesses and have video and film….the world calls them crazy. Why? Because there has never in world history been any verification of any craft!!!!!! The same goes for the “planes” of 9-11. It was a lie to borrow trillions to kill millions in a never ending global war. There were no commercial planes on 9-11.

    Symon…did you know that if you do not report this information of possible treason to an “officer” or “judge” that YOU can now be tried for treason for not reporting it?!!!! There were no commercial planes on 9-11.

  27. Let’s see. In criminal cases, witness testimony is routinely taken as verfication of an event. In the case of say, the Wright Brothers, they verified the crash through the wreckage. And what defined it as wreckage? The visual witnessing that it is in fact wreckage, unless you want to say that when one takes the original specs of the physical geometery and physics of the plane and then made new mathematical equations of the plane as witnessed and then made a comparison as one might in a geometry proof. But that’s not the norm. The Wright Brothers didn’t do that…they made an observation as verfication. If thousands of people see a plane fly into a building and then that plane disintegrates, leaving no large pieces of wreckage, then one is left to conclude that the verification of the wreckage is the witness reports.

    Under your logic, then you must conclude that the moon landing was a hoax. Jimmy Hoffa is not dead because you cannot verify that he is dead.

  28. You have yet to research 9-11. There were not “1000’s” of witnesses. We are talking about plane crashes not ghost sightings. There is NO debris from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9-11. NOTHING has ever been verified in any way.

    There were no commercial planes on 9-11. I am not giving you an opinion. I’m summarizing 5 years worth of research into 8 words and one sentence. Once you understand the truth that there were no commercial planes on 9-11 it explains every single anomaly. You have yet to see “September clues” as an introduction.

    You have been very kind to allow me to post here. I thank you. You have been informed that there were no commercial planes on 9-11. However you wish to maintain the lie that there were is up to you. This will be my last post here. Thanx again and take care Symon.

  29. Check out the “loosechange911 Dot Com” website for the truth. No way in hell that building fell that fast with ant demolitions. Get a free copy of the “loose change Second addition” DVD. It uses many news video clips to verify that it was an inside job.

    God Bless

  30. UHMMM,i think its been said time and time again that the World Trade Center’s collapsing happening so fast wasn’t just because of a plane hitting it,but the explosion of the impact as well as the fact the Twin Towers were honeycomb designs as in the outer part was just as vital as the inner part of the structure.

    AN impact and explosion would be enough to make a big tower go down pretty fast. Sorry,but fire travels fast and destroys everything it can. AND if some people believe it wasn’t a plane but a missle than TELL me how you believe that? Where is your evidence in that? Because a plane exploding and a missle exploding would have the same reaction so wheres the raw material of the missle and/or plane? Are the people who won’t believe anything without evidence of every single part of a disaster gonna really believe it was a missle when theres no PROOF of that either? I’m sorry but a plane hitting the towers sounds much more believeable in the fact there WERE phone calls and footage.

    Thats what Dana and Alison failed to explain. Or are they the same person? I mean as much as they talked about conspiracy they sure seemed to have the same exact opinions so are they lying to us about names now? I don’t know. I’m not trying to be rude but it seems everytime a disaster happens,we have people who won’t believe what they see and hear. It happened with the Holocaust,the wars,the natural disasters,etc. You just don’t have me convinced when you cannot prove to me that the World Trade Center was not hit by a plane or the Pentagon.

    Find me some of this missle leftover and then I’ll believe you, otherwise I’m going with the planes because AT LEAST there is SOME evidence of that. I’m sorry, but I also don’t think people searched through the wreckage to find exact pieces of the plane or missle or whatever you wanna believe it is. The fact of the matter is people lost their lives that day and I just doubt people really cared at the time to see if there was plane leftovers, people cared about finding survivors. THATS IT.

    It just amazes me that people care about wheter they were lied to or not more than the BURNING TRUTH that people died this fateful day. And if you can’t say that happened then where are the Twin Towers now and the lot of people who were unfortunante enough to face their darkest hour that day? Are you gonna tell me it didn’t happen like people who don’t believe that the Holocaust happened?

    There are too many people who just doubt everything without the RIGHT evidence and thats what keeps me from believing them. Sorry,in no means trying to disrespect anyone who commented here, simply stating I can’t believe all the mumbo jumbo when pretty much anything that happens in life can look like a lie if you find the right dirty facts about what else was going on. The truth is that it doesn’t make things a lie though.

    On another note I sure am glad the Empire State Building made it through its day of disaster because it sure has pretty architecture and if it would have been worse that day, New York City would be very empty indeed. I’m sorry that your post has been overflooded with WTC conspiracy comments and not about why ESB lasted and WTC didn’t. It was a comparison, not meant to be a focus on WTC and I’m just sorry people started all this conspiracy talk on here,even though I understand why people feel lied to by tv and stuff. Thanks for posting this anyways,would never have known about ESB being hit without this post.😉

  31. Thanx. That’s what I do. I post about things that many people do not know about. Some are funny, some are not so funny. As for the comments, I have a policy as long as someone isn’t being overtly personally demeaning toward others or use bad language, I will post it and allow others to view the opinions. One of my favorites is a global warming post that I had. I was accused of sucking up to Mr. Gore by one person and hanging out with Rush Limbaugh by another person. Same post, two diametrically opposed perceptions. I will offer opinions but, more often than not, try to present facts and it’s when I try to look at an issue objectively that I get the most critical comments. When examining issues involving history and or science, it’s important to try and allow the facts lead and not your preconceived notions, though that is difficult at times. I mean, if you search for truth and find it but dismiss it because it didn’t fit your worldview, then what is the point of the search? At that point you are no longer looking for truth but simply to prove that you were right. Feel free to comment any time on any subject.

  32. Thank you for the feedback. I am glad to hear you are so patient and understanding of people. Fact is always better than opinion, for it is the right way to go but it is hard to figure out fact from fiction in the media influenced world we live in today. I just feel some people like to make a bad incident even worse with their conspiracy theories and like to dress them up with big words and stuff so you almost forget that they are leaving out a vital part of something that would indeed make their statements true, if they had the proof.
    That is the case of some people on this post. I would almost believe some of these comments if they had sourced these “wonderful” sites that told them the “truth” instead of just a few sites and if they could show me where they found undeniable evidence that it was another object, not a plane striking those towers and the Pentagon.

    With all the eye witnesses,all the reports I’ve read, all the videos I’ve seen, George Bush and the government could be GREAT directors if all that was a conspiracy because thats a fricken huge load of people who made it alive that day vs. who died actually and remember the sound, the sights crystal clear and I’m sure more than one of these people would have spoke the “truth” about what hit the buildings if it was not planes. I mean come on, we are talking about NYC here! Those people are so brutally honest, they aren’t afraid to tell you their honest beliefs and opinions so I’m sure many would have spoke the truth on a news interview if it was not a plane because alot of people aren’t afraid to get locked up, if it means telling the world the truth.

    I just don’t think the government could fool THAT many people, because alot of people didn’t like Bush in the first place. Period. They would’ve said something and on a live newscast someone woulda noticed if a part of it got cut out along the way or not,since some people seem to believe they cut out the interviews of the “truth.”

    If you cut down people’s analysis’ the results come out fishy and out there and in the end these people don’t have as much backing them up as they thought they did.

    To me though, it doesn’t matter how the towers and part of the Pentagon went down, what truly matters is that they went down and the world won’t forget it.

    Once again Symon,thanks for being so understanding of everyone’s comments because all the conspiracy of 9/11 really gets under my skin because like I said, people will make anything look worse than it was if they can.

  33. EDITOR: The following was originally an 8 post comment which has been reproduced as a single entry. Attempts were made to contact the commenter and ask for a Cliff’s Notes version but the emails were returned sayinig that the source was not accepting replies. You be the judge. The commenter’s name is synonymous with the name of someone the commenter claims was killed.

    The reason the human beings need to rely on a “belief system” to verify the planes of 9-11 is because you should never have to “believe” a plane crashed. Simply verify the debris. Until 9-11 the motto of the NTSB was never believe….verify…..though the reason people need to “believe” it happened vs. verifying physically is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that ALL US law enforcement is now under the direction and control of Homeland Security is because anyone questioning 9-11 can now be arrested for “homegrown terrorism” to stop you from questioning the fact that there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US military owned US media outlets(Fox in particular) on the day of 9-11, when interviewing people on the street, whenever someone said there were missiles, explosions BEFORE the planes hit, something other than a plane, clearly NOT a plane, or anything that went against the official story they were immediately cut off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiNt7YFKyvU&feature=related The reason for this was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that ALL data and information from Operation Able Danger was destroyed immediately after 9-11 which would have shown what the US knew about the supposed hijackers before 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox news will be tried for treason and murder, is because it was HIS SEVEN SECONDS of plane video shown around the world the DAY OF 9-11 that proved planes when there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason supposed truth groups will say that anyone suggesting NPT(no plane theory) is harming, discrediting, dividing, or being divisive to their movement is because they have been established to do EVERYTHING they can to keep you from understanding there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that shills and agents will say that “millions of pieces of debris” were found on 9-11 and even provide photos of the debris …what they fail to tell the world is that NONE…not one single piece has a serial number or can ever be positively identified in any way…is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Aaron Brown and Paula Zahn started their US national network news broadcast debuts in NYC on Tuesday 9/11/01 when that Monday was not a holiday (a first in US national broadcast history) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason there were “management changes” at the NTSB shortly after 9-11 with the NTSB coming out soon after that saying that of course there were plane crashes on 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the FBI now claims that it has NEVER verified a single piece of debris from any of the 4 locations on 9-11 is because “we all saw it on TV” (foia 2008)…is to provide plausible deniability back to the military owned media companies because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Atta’s luggage was the ONLY luggage not to make the flight, where it was instantly discovered to contain maps, notes, threats, flight training manuals, letters to Allah etc (though if it was a suicide mission why use a fake ID?!)…the reason this patsy left so much incrimination to be easily found was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that Warren Buffet owner of Berkshire Hathaway received Billions of dollars in income from new insurance policies to protect buildings from terrorism, pushing Buffet to become the richest man in the world following 9-11, is because he is a murderer because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason agents use the words and tactics like debunk, credibility, discredit, strawman tactics, “what are you trying to accomplish” or what is your agenda, and conspiracy theories is because it shows where they are receiving their orders from because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason agents use the words conspiracy theory or otherwise known as a “slider” is because criminals very much dislike people who can figure out their crimes. (Eg….people who commit homicides very much dislike homicide detectives or theorists?) Just like people who conspire to commit mass murder dislike conspiracy theories of exactly HOW they committed their crimes. The words conspiracy theory now has such a negative connotation that when heard is almost immediately rejected by the general population even before you have heard the information….because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that not ONE single person that was inside or outside the WTC’s reported the smell of jet fuel the DAY OF 9-11 (suddenly all the FBI agents AFTER 9-11 reported “the smell”) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Guliani on live TV said the buildings were coming down in just a few minutes just minutes BEFORE they did…..which is quite remarkable considering NO building in HUMAN HISTORY had ever fallen due to a fire when the building was made of concrete and reinforced steel….when he said the buildings were falling after talking with someone that he has YET to confirm who it was on record….the reason he knew the buildings would fall from a demolition is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that witnesses, video, film, and photos MUST prove 9-11 is because NONE of those things has EVER verified a plane crash. Only debris can verify a plane crash…not ONE single piece has ever been verified because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason you are shown a photo of debris vs. being allowed to verify the serial number on the debris is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason Laura Bush drove to Shanksville and “selected as her personal driver for a week” the man who supposedly found a bible on top of the crash site suggesting the passengers were reading this before they crashed….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that FEMA ground zero photographer Kurt Sonnenfeld (also photographed the newly discovered piece of debris atop of WTC 5 six weeks after 9-11 and was the OKCity bombing FEMA photographer) the reason his wife committed “suicide” on New Years day on 2002 was because he confided that 9-11 had no commercial plane crashes and then found out she was going to turn him in.
    The reason Bush and Cheney made death threats to Sen. Tom Daschel in Jan 02’ if he ever investigated the plane debris from 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that the scientists who worked on identifying the remains of the 9-11 Pentagon victims also worked on victims from the Waco massacre, Oklahoma City bombing, Desert Storm, missing intern Chandra Levy and one of these scientist’s has a daughter who was working in the C Ring of the Pentagon at the time of the crash….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that ALL American Airline employees have been ordered to remain silent and NEVER speak about what they saw, heard, or did on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that Bush family members like Marvin and others were in charge of security at the WTC buildings AND were in charge of security at ALL 4 airports on 9-11 AND have not one second of video evidence from the airports AND controlled all access to all the facilities from 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Marvin Bush was also head of WTC security in 1993 during the CLINTONS attempt at this “911” false flag attack attempt (which you will find the EXACT same people and scapegoats including Bin Laden and Saddam!) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11 or “terrorists” in 1993.
    The reason the supposed “truth groups” of 9-11 VIOLENTLY reject ANY discussion or mention that there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11 (adage if you want to control dissent you lead it) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NOT ONE single piece of metal, time stamped part out of a possible 13 million have EVER been found at ANY of the 4 locations from ANY of the planes of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that government agents will use tactics of “conspiracy theory”, ad hominem put downs, childlike ridicules and threats, CONSTANT misdirection and subject changing, disinformation and misinformation, and many types of “exclusionary tactics” (eg. “you not from NY so you are excluded from speaking about it, or you don’t have an advanced degree in demolitions and cannot speak about it etc)…all of these are use to keep you away from understanding there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Bush stated to the UN within 45 days after the attack that ….”we cannot allow for wild conspiracy theories about 911″ which he was referring to the theory that there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that the US’s top attorney generals, judges, and law enforcement officials “work at the pleasure of the President” is because if they did their jobs independently they would find out there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the FBI claimed to have recovered 95% of the plane in Shanksville after only 2 weeks even though not ONE single piece had a serial number or was physically verified by ANYONE at the site the day of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. Authorities have said that 99% of the plane was physically BURIED in the earth and that’s why the debris could never be seen…that would be a first in aviation history if true.
    The reason you would be UNABLE to call someone a “passenger” in an open trial with regards to 9-11 is that until the planes can be physically verified they would be considered “missing persons”…..though never worry about an open trial or investigation because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that the UNBURNT passports, ID’s, bandanas, and other “artifacts” seem only to prove the hijackers were aboard the planes (an EXPIRED drivers license was found for someone other than a hijacker) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason CDI, Controlled Demolition Inc, was seen inside the WTC’s on Saturday Sept 8th and Sunday Sept 9th 2001 doing “cabling work” during the first ever power downs of the WTC’s to plant explosives was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the “truth groups” refuse to get rid of the slogan “9-11 was an inside job is because the slogan protects the criminals by never really saying ANYTHING about what they did….because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the NIST report was eventually published (headed by a Former Bush oil explorer worker from 20 years earlier) claimed a NEW never before seen or experienced phenomena known as “thermal expansion of steel” was used to explain the collapse of the WTC 7 building at free fall speed on 9-11…..was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that the GREATEST fears of the criminals of 9-11 are Exposure, Losing Support, and the most important…Organized Resistance are despised inside the 9-11 truth movement is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason 9-11 detractors will use ANY AND EVERY form and way to keep you distracted with topics like the FAA, testimony, 9-11 Commission, building demolitions, actions by politicians, government reports and investigations, calls for independent investigations…..is because then you would focus on the fact that there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason that over THREE DOZEN high profile military commands were temporarily CHANGED JUST for the morning of 9-11 and then immediately changed back AFTER 9-11 was for more plausible deniability because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Bush never seemed to care that the US was under attack after learning of the events at a grade school on the morning of 9-11 (pet goat) and stayed there putting EVERYONE in jeopardy which COMPLETELY broke ALL protocols of security…..was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Chief of Staff Andrew Card announces into Bush’s ear that “America is under attack”….AND THEN IMMEDIATELY WALKS AWAY WITHOUT WAITING FOR ANY INSTRUCTIONS OF ORDERS……was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that THOUSANDS of TOP emergency personnel arrive within FIVE MINUTES of the crash at the Pentagon even though the roads were already “blocked due to traffic” is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Lieutenant Colonel John Felicio said the attacks were identical to the scenarios they were running at the time of the attack and were “very similar to what actually happened on 9-11” is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that ALL the supposed planes of 9-11 were “tilting to the left” upon impact was to keep a consistent story among the “witnesses and video editors” because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Pentagon employee April Gallop was threatened by the FBI to “keep her mouth shut, take the money, and there WERE planes” on the afternoon while she was in the hospital recovering from her injuries was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that ALL the supposed planes crashed at 600 mph at GROUND LEVEL on the morning of 9-11(a physical impossibility) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Somerset county coroner Wallace Miller in Shanksville found “NOT ONE DROP OF BLOOD” at the supposed crash site (he said a first in his career for an accident anywhere near this size and amount of people) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason reporter Amy Goodman has refused ALL suggestions and ALL discussions and ALL mentions of demolitions inside the WTC’s 1,2, and 7 is because SHE WAS AT the WTC 7 demolition on the afternoon of 9-11. Why she failed to mention that for 6 years no ones quite sure http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4094539209684370800# though probably because she has always known there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Murdoch owned show “Family Guy” creator Seth MacFarlane missed the doomed Flt 11 out of Boston on the morning of 9-11 due to a “typo on his itinerary” (even though he has an itinerary AND NO CREDIT CARD RECIEPT!) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. Seth MacFarlane has since gone on to become the HIGHEST paid person in US TV history by receiving a $100 million dollar contract for his show by none other than Rupert Murdoch the owner from FOX.
    The reason that most of the children that died on the supposed planes of 9-11 where on a National Geographic field trip is because Rupert Murdoch OWNS National Geographic and the Nat Geo Channel. It was Rupert Murdoch who showed the world the 7 seconds of “plane” on the DAY OF 9-11. Why kill those children? Because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that HUNDRED’s of nyc fireman report hundreds of demolitions and explosions inside the buildings BEFORE, during, and after the supposed planes attacking was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that hundreds of witnesses on 9-11 reported hearing and seeing a “missile” rather than an airplane on the morning of 9-11 and have ALL been subsequently ignored is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Bush signs an executive order in Nov. 01’ stating the no one can ever see or read anything with regards to what his office said and did on 9-11 for the next 25 years….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that the supposed “blue” plane parts from the Pentagon are suspicious is because that Flt 77 was SILVER!…… because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Senator Paul Wellstone and his entire family were murdered in another suspicious plane crash was because he opposed the Patriot Act and wanted to “test the plane debris” because he thought there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Charles Falkenberg was killed along with his family (we assume) is because he was the man who developed the software that lead to Exxon Valdez having to eventually pay money for the oil spill….killed because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. Interesting to note that over 90% of the adult passengers aboard the “planes” of 9-11 were millionaires?!?!?!?!
    The reason that the NTSB, which had conducted over 1,240 STRAIGHT airline crash investigations in its history regardless of it being a “crime scene”….UNTIL 9-11….. had ALL of its employees threatened if they tried to verify the plane debris (NTSB ONLY verifies thru debris and wreckage and NEVER video, witnesses, or film) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NOT ONE SINGLE FAMILY MEMBER out of 256 on 4 flights failed to show up at LAX on the morning of 9-11 even though the airports were open for 3 hours after the attacks and it still would have been 9am pst is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Barack Obama, in his FIRST HOUR IN OFFICE, signed an executive order stating that NO person in the US could ever sue Saudi Arabia with regards to 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the WTC’s 1 and 2 had their FIRST EVER “power down” in their 40 year history at the tops of the buildings where the buildings apparently began to turn to dust (done to add demolition charges…sparks are bad for demolitions?!) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason credit card companies have NO financial records of ANY of the 256 people aboard any of the planes of 9-11 having paid for a ticket aboard ANY of the planes on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason everyone paid with CASH for their tickets on the morning of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NONE of the 256 passengers (except ATTA) drove and parked their own cars at ANY airport on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NOT ONE single video exists of any person (except ATTA) at any airport in any way from any of the planes of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that Tens of millions of dollars were made on “put options” which shorted United and American Airlines just days before 9-11 and the US REFUSES to release exactly who made those financial bets is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US conducted a terrorist training drill at the Buffalo Intl Airport one week BEFORE 9-11 which included terrorists blowing up a plane (the exact people conducting this drill just so happen to be the ones who then conducted the “rescues” at ground zero one week later!) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that Rumsfeld announced $2.3 TRILLION had been “lost” at the Pentagon on 9-10-01 and that the 28 accounting experts would be looking into it (ALL 28 died in the Pentagon plane attack and all investigations were immediately dropped) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon was conducting a “MASCAL” (Mass Casualty)exercise ON THE DAY OF 9-11 at the Pentagon involving a PLANE CRASHING INTO IT…was once again for a weak plausible deniability excuse because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the doors, fire escapes, observation decks, and ALL access to the tops WTC’s 1 and 2 buildings was closed and chained up on Monday 9-10-01…was because survivors could talk….because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Mayor Gulliani was conducting Operation Tripod II at Pier 92 (rather than his NEW multiple million dollar bunker inside WTC 7) on Monday 9-10-01 which involved terrorist attacks on the WTC’s and then the same exact people were then in charge of 9-11….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the FBI released the names, addresses, photos, religious beliefs, whereabouts, affiliations, professional connections, flight training schools, nationalities, personal histories, ages, visa status OF ALL the highjackers within DAYS Of 9-11 (Unibomber took 17 years!)…..is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason PA Gov. Tom Ridge, who would then head a new agency called Homeland Security, said that the WTC debris would be buried at CDI’s smelting plant which was purchased just months before 9-11 (NO debris went overseas or to China for example!) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    Even though it was illegal Giuliani banned ALL photography and video of the WTC’s after the attacks which clearly showed serious problems with the official stories because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Osama Bin Laden denies any connection to wrong doing and basically says the US government and military are sick and murderous for their own gains (http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html) is because he had nothing to do with 9-11 because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Gulliani orders the DESTRUCTION of all debris from NYC (illegal) without ONE SINGLE TEST for explosives or evidence of ANYKIND was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason an executive order to create Homeland Security, like Hitler did after the Reichstag fire, was enacted within ONE MONTH after 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Patriot Act was written, introduced, passed (and NOT READ) within ONE MONTH after 9-11 which stripped all US citizens of every right granted by the Constitution, similar again to Hitler and the Reichstag fire excuse in Germany….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon closed down the area surrounding the wall where the supposed plane hit AND it was the scene of GWBush paying a “surprise visit” there on Monday 9-10-01 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason ALL NSA employees are sworn to a LIFETIME of secrecy and can NEVER speak about anything they know about 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon was conducting an “airport emergency operation” at the Pentagon on the MORNING of 9-11 which involved a plane crashing into the Pentagon at the EXACT spot where a supposed plane hit….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that 85% of all supposed passengers on 9-11 had DIRECT ties to the military, government, or military corporation owned US media outlets….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the WTC’s 1 and 2 had their FIRST EVER “power down” in their 40 year history at the tops of the buildings where the buildings apparently began to turn to dust (done to add demolition charges…sparks are bad for demolitions?!) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason credit card companies have NO financial records of ANY of the 256 people aboard any of the planes of 9-11 having paid for a ticket aboard ANY of the planes on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason everyone paid with CASH for their tickets on the morning of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NONE of the 256 passengers (except ATTA) drove and parked their own cars at ANY airport on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NOT ONE single video exists of any person (except ATTA) at any airport in any way from any of the planes of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that Tens of millions of dollars were made on “put options” which shorted United and American Airlines just days before 9-11 and the US REFUSES to release exactly who made those financial bets is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US conducted a terrorist training drill at the Buffalo Intl Airport one week BEFORE 9-11 which included terrorists blowing up a plane (the exact people conducting this drill just so happen to be the ones who then conducted the “rescues” at ground zero one week later!) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that Rumsfeld announced $2.3 TRILLION had been “lost” at the Pentagon on 9-10-01 and that the 28 accounting experts would be looking into it (ALL 28 died in the Pentagon plane attack and all investigations were immediately dropped) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon was conducting a “MASCAL” (Mass Casualty)exercise ON THE DAY OF 9-11 at the Pentagon involving a PLANE CRASHING INTO IT…was once again for a weak plausible deniability excuse because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the doors, fire escapes, observation decks, and ALL access to the tops WTC’s 1 and 2 buildings was closed and chained up on Monday 9-10-01…was because survivors could talk….because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Mayor Gulliani was conducting Operation Tripod II at Pier 92 (rather than his NEW multiple million dollar bunker inside WTC 7) on Monday 9-10-01 which involved terrorist attacks on the WTC’s and then the same exact people were then in charge of 9-11….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the FBI released the names, addresses, photos, religious beliefs, whereabouts, affiliations, professional connections, flight training schools, nationalities, personal histories, ages, visa status OF ALL the highjackers within DAYS Of 9-11 (Unibomber took 17 years!)…..is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason PA Gov. Tom Ridge, who would then head a new agency called Homeland Security, said that the WTC debris would be buried at CDI’s smelting plant which was purchased just months before 9-11 (NO debris went overseas or to China for example!) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    Even though it was illegal Giuliani banned ALL photography and video of the WTC’s after the attacks which clearly showed serious problems with the official stories because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Osama Bin Laden denies any connection to wrong doing and basically says the US government and military are sick and murderous for their own gains (http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html) is because he had nothing to do with 9-11 because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Gulliani orders the DESTRUCTION of all debris from NYC (illegal) without ONE SINGLE TEST for explosives or evidence of ANYKIND was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason an executive order to create Homeland Security, like Hitler did after the Reichstag fire, was enacted within ONE MONTH after 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Patriot Act was written, introduced, passed (and NOT READ) within ONE MONTH after 9-11 which stripped all US citizens of every right granted by the Constitution, similar again to Hitler and the Reichstag fire excuse in Germany….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon closed down the area surrounding the wall where the supposed plane hit AND it was the scene of GWBush paying a “surprise visit” there on Monday 9-10-01 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason ALL NSA employees are sworn to a LIFETIME of secrecy and can NEVER speak about anything they know about 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon was conducting an “airport emergency operation” at the Pentagon on the MORNING of 9-11 which involved a plane crashing into the Pentagon at the EXACT spot where a supposed plane hit….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that 85% of all supposed passengers on 9-11 had DIRECT ties to the military, government, or military corporation owned US media outlets….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the same company AMEC was doing “work” at the WTC’s 1 and 2 buildings, doing “work” at the EXACT wall of the Pentagon that was struck on 9-11, doing “work” at WTC 7 building inside Guiliani’s bunker, and doing “work” at the exact abandoned mine shaft were the plane crashed in Shanksville one month before 9-11…..is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that all the video for the weeks and months prior to 9-11 was confiscated from the NYC downtown area which showed demolition companies going in and out of the WTC’s for days and weeks prior to 9-11….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the SAME exact airline investigators from Flt. TWA 800 were used on the “plane of 9-11” is because they follow government orders because there was a missile that brought down TWA 800 and there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason scientists are unable to explain the pyroclastic flow following the collapse of the WTC’s is because it had happened on only TWO occasions in human history…a volcano explosion and a man-made controlled demolition. If you assume no controlled demolition of a building then 9-11 would have been only the 3rd time in human history this event occurred. Why? Because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11 and of course the buildings were demolished.
    The reason the complaints of drilling, sawing, smashing, and “constructing” from people inside the WTC’s prior to 9-11 were ignored was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that EVERY CEO and President of EVERY company within the WTC’s 1 and 2 met with Bush and Buffet on the afternoon of 9-11 at Offutt AFB (http://killtown.911review.org/buffett.html) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that EVERY company within the WTC’s was forcing employees to take out life insurance policies one week before 9-11 AND naming the companies as beneficiaries (known as an insurance money laundering scam called “separation or peasants insurance “) [a good introduction to this scam: http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol5/yogurt/yogurt1.shtml….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that HALF the supposed hijackers were alive and well after 9-11 and couldn’t figure out why they were being named as terrorists having killed all these people (http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11/9-11_hijackers_still_alive.htm) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason newly established WTC buildings owner Larry Silverstein took out THE FIRST EVER TERRORISM INSURANCE POLICY ON A BUILDING IN US HISTORY ….6 weeks BEFORE 9-11….and made $7 billion dollars from their collapse….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon conducted NORAD Amalgam Virgo 01’ just weeks before 9-11, which was cruise missiles striking the WTC’s and the Pentagon and would provide more plausible deniability if caught, was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the military conducted a “terrorist training drill” 5 miles from the Shanksville crash site just months before 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US government conducted Operation Dark Winter just months before 9-11, which was a staged event involving fake media, film, photos, and video of a false biological attack….was to prepare for 9-11 because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US military has had their Black Operations budget increased to $56 Billion dollars PER YEAR….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon conducted a “MASCAL” operation just months before 9-11 which was an exercise in removing “casualties” and staging a fake “external response” to an event near the Pentagon is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the White House approves the invasion of Afghanistan ONE WEEK BEFORE 9-11 and then immediately attacks Afghanistan 3 weeks AFTER 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Beverly Eckert was killed, she met with Obama who told her that he would reopen 9-11 and get to the bottom of this, the reason she was killed one week later in a VERY mysterious plane crash is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. Ps….the plane crashed into the very kitchen of the man who gaveTim Russerts eulogy after he died?!!!!! Tim Russert of NBC News was going to release information about 9/11 and was killed from a bogus heart attack.
    The reason over 500 “Muslim websites” were pulled by US authorities one week BEFORE 9-11 and would have immediately questioned the planes of 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the same company AMEC was doing “work” at the WTC’s 1 and 2 buildings, doing “work” at the EXACT wall of the Pentagon that was struck on 9-11, doing “work” at WTC 7 building inside Guiliani’s bunker, and doing “work” at the exact abandoned mine shaft were the plane crashed in Shanksville one month before 9-11…..is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that all the video for the weeks and months prior to 9-11 was confiscated from the NYC downtown area which showed demolition companies going in and out of the WTC’s for days and weeks prior to 9-11….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the SAME exact airline investigators from Flt. TWA 800 were used on the “plane of 9-11” is because they follow government orders because there was a missile that brought down TWA 800 and there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason scientists are unable to explain the pyroclastic flow following the collapse of the WTC’s is because it had happened on only TWO occasions in human history…a volcano explosion and a man-made controlled demolition. If you assume no controlled demolition of a building then 9-11 would have been only the 3rd time in human history this event occurred. Why? Because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11 and of course the buildings were demolished.
    The reason the complaints of drilling, sawing, smashing, and “constructing” from people inside the WTC’s prior to 9-11 were ignored was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that EVERY CEO and President of EVERY company within the WTC’s 1 and 2 met with Bush and Buffet on the afternoon of 9-11 at Offutt AFB (http://killtown.911review.org/buffett.html) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that EVERY company within the WTC’s was forcing employees to take out life insurance policies one week before 9-11 AND naming the companies as beneficiaries (known as an insurance money laundering scam called “separation or peasants insurance “) [a good introduction to this scam: http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol5/yogurt/yogurt1.shtml%5D….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that HALF the supposed hijackers were alive and well after 9-11 and couldn’t figure out why they were being named as terrorists having killed all these people (http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11/9-11_hijackers_still_alive.htm) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason newly established WTC buildings owner Larry Silverstein took out THE FIRST EVER TERRORISM INSURANCE POLICY ON A BUILDING IN US HISTORY ….6 weeks BEFORE 9-11….and made $7 billion dollars from their collapse….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon conducted NORAD Amalgam Virgo 01’ just weeks before 9-11, which was cruise missiles striking the WTC’s and the Pentagon and would provide more plausible deniability if caught, was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the military conducted a “terrorist training drill” 5 miles from the Shanksville crash site just months before 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US government conducted Operation Dark Winter just months before 9-11, which was a staged event involving fake media, film, photos, and video of a false biological attack….was to prepare for 9-11 because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US military has had their Black Operations budget increased to $56 Billion dollars PER YEAR….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Pentagon conducted a “MASCAL” operation just months before 9-11 which was an exercise in removing “casualties” and staging a fake “external response” to an event near the Pentagon is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the White House approves the invasion of Afghanistan ONE WEEK BEFORE 9-11 and then immediately attacks Afghanistan 3 weeks AFTER 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Beverly Eckert was killed, she met with Obama who told her that he would reopen 9-11 and get to the bottom of this, the reason she was killed one week later in a VERY mysterious plane crash is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. Ps….the plane crashed into the very kitchen of the man who gaveTim Russerts eulogy after he died?!!!!! Tim Russert of NBC News was going to release information about 9/11 and was killed from a bogus heart attack.
    The reason over 500 “Muslim websites” were pulled by US authorities one week BEFORE 9-11 and would have immediately questioned the planes of 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the FAA boss destroyed the taped testimony of the 3 air traffic controllers immediately following 9-11 which basically said they could not have been commercial planes….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.
    The reason 16 supposed Saudi Arabian men who averaged 5’4″ 120 lbs with ONE inch knives could highjack 4 planes without a single mayday or hijacking code being entered by a single pilot on 9-11…was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that ALL EIGHT, 6-ton, 9ft wide Titanium alloy engines DISAPPEARED ( a first in world history and it happened 8 times) on 9-11 and have never been physically verified since was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason $15 billion dollars was paid out to the US airline companies within 2 weeks of 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the airline insurance companies have yet to pay a single penny to replace a single plane from 9-11 (which by the way they ONLY pay by debris verification)….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason it is now against US law to investigate or even contact the exact people who took the supposed “man from the street “ films, photos, and videos of planes of 9-11…..it because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason you will never have ANY truly independent investigation of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that everything will be kept in secrecy with regards to any legal procedures, covered with terms like “national security” even though the ENTIRE PLANET supposedly saw it, and ANY court cases will all have gag orders and be closed to the public is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the families will NEVER ask for verification of plane debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NOT ONE single family member gave or demanded a DNA sample or independent test from the planes of 9-11 (which means authorities could never have matched the DNA as positive from the Pentagon Flt. 77 without a sample FROM the family)….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the NYC CAN ballot will fail miserably for no particular reason, despite having received over 100,000 signatures is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that All court cases regarding 9-11 on behalf of US citizens have gone through ONE judge (happens to be best friends with the WTC lease holder who received $7 Billion when the towers were demolished AND is best friends with Rupert Murdoch who brought the world the ONLY film of planes on the DAY OF 9-11) since 9-11 and he has denied EVERY SINGLE REQUEST for a single trial for the public…is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Gitmo trials are held in secret and confession by torture is always accepted and legal is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that many victims families feel they have never learned the truth is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Barry Jennings was murdered just days before the NIST report was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that 2 of the 4 supposed flights on 9-11 were never even scheduled to fly on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason agents say that it’s impossible to stage 9-11 because it would require too many people to be involved and remain quite is because all the agents have been sworn to secrecy and they are all involved because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the original 911 Commission didn’t “go far enough” or verified any debris from any of the planes, was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11
    The reason that witnesses, video, photos, and film…..regardless of how much and how many…..have NEVER in aviation history verified a plane crash EXCEPT ON 9-11 (only debris can verify a plane)…is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason the FAA boss destroyed the taped testimony of the 3 air traffic controllers immediately following 9-11 which basically said they could not have been commercial planes….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.
    The reason 16 supposed Saudi Arabian men who averaged 5’4″ 120 lbs with ONE inch knives could highjack 4 planes without a single mayday or hijacking code being entered by a single pilot on 9-11…was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that ALL EIGHT, 6-ton, 9ft wide Titanium alloy engines DISAPPEARED ( a first in world history and it happened 8 times) on 9-11 and have never been physically verified since was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason $15 billion dollars was paid out to the US airline companies within 2 weeks of 9-11 was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the airline insurance companies have yet to pay a single penny to replace a single plane from 9-11 (which by the way they ONLY pay by debris verification)….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason it is now against US law to investigate or even contact the exact people who took the supposed “man from the street “ films, photos, and videos of planes of 9-11…..it because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason you will never have ANY truly independent investigation of 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that everything will be kept in secrecy with regards to any legal procedures, covered with terms like “national security” even though the ENTIRE PLANET supposedly saw it, and ANY court cases will all have gag orders and be closed to the public is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the families will NEVER ask for verification of plane debris from any of the 4 planes from any of the 4 locations on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NOT ONE single family member gave or demanded a DNA sample or independent test from the planes of 9-11 (which means authorities could never have matched the DNA as positive from the Pentagon Flt. 77 without a sample FROM the family)….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the NYC CAN ballot will fail miserably for no particular reason, despite having received over 100,000 signatures is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that All court cases regarding 9-11 on behalf of US citizens have gone through ONE judge (happens to be best friends with the WTC lease holder who received $7 Billion when the towers were demolished AND is best friends with Rupert Murdoch who brought the world the ONLY film of planes on the DAY OF 9-11) since 9-11 and he has denied EVERY SINGLE REQUEST for a single trial for the public…is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Gitmo trials are held in secret and confession by torture is always accepted and legal is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that many victims families feel they have never learned the truth is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Barry Jennings was murdered just days before the NIST report was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that 2 of the 4 supposed flights on 9-11 were never even scheduled to fly on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason agents say that it’s impossible to stage 9-11 because it would require too many people to be involved and remain quite is because all the agents have been sworn to secrecy and they are all involved because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the original 911 Commission didn’t “go far enough” or verified any debris from any of the planes, was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11
    The reason that witnesses, video, photos, and film…..regardless of how much and how many…..have NEVER in aviation history verified a plane crash EXCEPT ON 9-11 (only debris can verify a plane)…is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason EVERY single video was vetted and controlled by the FBI before anyone in the world saw it was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that there will always be massive problems with the passenger lists and why NONE of the hijackers were listed on ANY of them is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason there will NEVER be a single piece of verified debris from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NO engines, NO tail sections, NO seats, NO fuselage, NO luggage, and NOTHING from any of the planes has ever been found and verified through a serial number is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason there are massive problems with the take-off records of the 4 flights on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NOT ONE PENNY has been paid from insurance companies to replace the planes themselves is because they pay only be verifiable debris….and NONE has ever been found….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Bush threatened Congressman to never investigate 9-11, then delayed the investigation 18 months, then handpicked the Commission members, had Commission members quit because they said the Commission was a fraud because they were never going to be allowed to inspect the plane wreckage because of “national security”, and then told them to never “cross the line” with regards to plane investigations……is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that thermite and cordite tested POSITIVE and was found EVERYWHERE on 9-11 is because there was no jet fuel because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that jet fuel tested NEGATIVE at ALL 4 crash sites on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason officers, FBI, and CIA were ordered to spend ALL DAY on the day of 9-11 confiscating film and video from EVERY NYC photo shop was in case someone had developed a photo showing something other than the official photos and videos is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that the WTC towers 1 and 2, which were each 110 stories high of reinforced concrete and steel covering ONE ACRE for each floor…….which was then turned into a pile of dust standing only TWO STORIES HIGH from a fuel fire ( a first in world history)…..was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason CDI, Control Demolition Inc, ( A DEMOLITION COMPANY….even though there was no piece of building debris larger than what could fit onto their existing trucks!) was paid $35 Billion to clean up 9-11 (similar to what the US government paid CDI after the OKCity bombing in 1995) and was seen in and around the WTC’s AND OKCity Murrah building for weeks and months PRIOR to 9-11 and April 1995….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason everyone smelled cordite and NOT ONE person smelled ANY of the 12,000 gallons of toxic jet fuel at the Pentagon was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.
    The reason NONE of the 600 FBI agents at the Pentagon were wearing masks, even though 12,000 gallons of fuel had just been released, was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason 600 FBI agents were immediately on the scene at the Pentagon even though ALL the roads were supposedly blocked due to traffic is because they were waiting because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason FBI agents were caught on camera dropping off “debris” at the Pentagon is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Naudet Brothers have not been seen since 9-11, even though they were related to the fire company they just so happen to be filming on 9-11 to capture the ONLY supposed video of the first plane of 9-11…( http://www.spingola.com/jules_naudet.htm) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

    The reason EVERY single video was vetted and controlled by the FBI before anyone in the world saw it was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that there will always be massive problems with the passenger lists and why NONE of the hijackers were listed on ANY of them is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason there will NEVER be a single piece of verified debris from ANY of the 4 planes from ANY of the 4 locations on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NO engines, NO tail sections, NO seats, NO fuselage, NO luggage, and NOTHING from any of the planes has ever been found and verified through a serial number is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason there are massive problems with the take-off records of the 4 flights on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NOT ONE PENNY has been paid from insurance companies to replace the planes themselves is because they pay only be verifiable debris….and NONE has ever been found….is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Bush threatened Congressman to never investigate 9-11, then delayed the investigation 18 months, then handpicked the Commission members, had Commission members quit because they said the Commission was a fraud because they were never going to be allowed to inspect the plane wreckage because of “national security”, and then told them to never “cross the line” with regards to plane investigations……is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that thermite and cordite tested POSITIVE and was found EVERYWHERE on 9-11 is because there was no jet fuel because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that jet fuel tested NEGATIVE at ALL 4 crash sites on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason officers, FBI, and CIA were ordered to spend ALL DAY on the day of 9-11 confiscating film and video from EVERY NYC photo shop was in case someone had developed a photo showing something other than the official photos and videos is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that the WTC towers 1 and 2, which were each 110 stories high of reinforced concrete and steel covering ONE ACRE for each floor…….which was then turned into a pile of dust standing only TWO STORIES HIGH from a fuel fire ( a first in world history)…..was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason CDI, Control Demolition Inc, ( A DEMOLITION COMPANY….even though there was no piece of building debris larger than what could fit onto their existing trucks!) was paid $35 Billion to clean up 9-11 (similar to what the US government paid CDI after the OKCity bombing in 1995) and was seen in and around the WTC’s AND OKCity Murrah building for weeks and months PRIOR to 9-11 and April 1995….was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason everyone smelled cordite and NOT ONE person smelled ANY of the 12,000 gallons of toxic jet fuel at the Pentagon was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11.
    The reason NONE of the 600 FBI agents at the Pentagon were wearing masks, even though 12,000 gallons of fuel had just been released, was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason 600 FBI agents were immediately on the scene at the Pentagon even though ALL the roads were supposedly blocked due to traffic is because they were waiting because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason FBI agents were caught on camera dropping off “debris” at the Pentagon is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the Naudet Brothers have not been seen since 9-11, even though they were related to the fire company they just so happen to be filming on 9-11 to capture the ONLY supposed video of the first plane of 9-11…( http://www.spingola.com/jules_naudet.htm) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Bin Laden has yet to be caught or is even wanted by the FBI for ANY of the events surrounding 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US government spends billions of dollars a year on infiltrating truth groups and forums , suiciding activists, and staging and writing media propaganda around the world is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that NONE of the voice data recorders, NONE of the flight data recorders, and NONE of the BLACK BOXES had serial numbers….a first in aviation history and it happened 4 times on the same day…is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US military owned media outlets like GE and Westinghouse who own NBC and CBS will never expose their own crimes of conspiracy to murder is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason it was essential that the images and video of 9-11 be brought to you by a military corporation on the DAY OF 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US government set up the Homeland security agency, TSA, Patriot Act, wiretapping, confessions through torture, and renditions….all to keep you quite and scared about 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason Rosie O’Donnell was fired from TV for mentioning the WTC 7 collapse which would immediately expose 9-11 as some form of controlled demolition is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason HUNDRED’s of so-called “terrorist training drills” like Tripod II and Vigilant Guardian were taking place on 9-11….at the exact time of the plane crashes…..was for plausible deniability because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that EVERY TV interview on the DAY OF 9-11 was given by military owned media outlet personnel (watch September Clues online) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason that ALL the buildings and locations on 9-11 appear to have been destroyed by some form of demolition or Directed Energy Weapon is because there was no jet fuel because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the US government allocated only $3 million dollars to investigate ALL of 9-11(Lewinsky Scandal got $50 million) is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason NORAD stood down on 9-11 to immediately intercept the planes was because there were no planes to shoot down because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason EVERY video filming the Pentagon was immediately confiscated (80+ at last count) was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason the command procedure to shoot down a rogue plane was changed just weeks before 9-11 to having to get Donald Rumsfeld’s permission first….and then was changed back immediately the day AFTER 9-11 to the pilots discretion…..was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason there were SERIOUS problems with ALL the videos showing planes on 9-11 is because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. Each and EVERY video of 9-11 shows something slightly different..except for a flash?!!!
    The reason a flash was seen just before the “plane” struck the WTC’s 1 and 2 was for consistency with editing at a later date because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.
    The reason some videos (if they are even real at all) show a “pod” underneath the “plane” is because THAT pod is the actual missile itself and the plane was imposed onto that piece because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11. If you notice the pod is the piece that hits the flash seen in all the videos.

  34. Never thought you would post this though am very happy you did. There are currently 485,000 of these examples for you to view. Why so many? Because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11. These ARE the cliff notes. There are so many examples because ever day the military, government, and military owned US media outlets bombard you with lies and the continued support of those lies.

    Just like the lies of WMD’s which were given to you by the EXACT same people it was all a staged and conspired muderous fraud to kill millions and spend trillions in a never ending global US war. These criminals have openly admitted there were no WMD’s in Iraq though the US is still there 7 years later killing one million people per year based on an admitted lie. What makes you think they would ever change their ways.

    ps….the same people that shorted with put-options of American and United Airlines on Monday Sept 10th 2001 also shorted with put-options the Deep Horizon well one day before it exploded. These criminals will never change their ways.

    There were no commercial plane crashes on 9/11. Critical mass is fast approaching.

  35. Three things. I noted that you use the name of someone whom you say was killed. Why? I tried to email you and there was an automated response saying that you don’t accept emails, though I see now you are using the first name in the email address and not the last name. You post, yet you hide. Why? I’ve heard this “no commercial planes crashed” notion before and no one has been able to explain what happened to the passengers. Are they part of the conspiracy? Also, You can’t put option an individual well.

  36. You have done absolutely no research on who these missing persons were. Until the planes can be verified they are missing persons NOT passengers. Its similar to saying abducted UFO alien spacecraft passengers without having verified a single piece of UFO debris. To repeat….AFTER 9 YEARS NOT ONE SINGLE PIECE OF PHYSICALLY VERIFIABLE DEBRIS FROM ANY OF THE 4 PLANES FROM ANY OF THE 4 LOCATIONS HAS EVER BEEN VERIFIED BY ANYONE ON THE PLANET. How is that a notion?

    http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html

    Goldman Sachs shorted Deep Horizon one day before it exploded. Halliburton was at the site hours before the explosion. All their crimes are related. We have never hidden. It is YOU that hides the truth. You still think there were commercial plane crashes on 9/11. Do you still think there are wmd’s in Iraq? Even though the US has said it lied and staged it for the ability to invade Iraq?

    The reason the names are chosen is for you to do additional research which is exactly what you have done. Find out why Beverly was killed.

    You were given HUNDREDS of examples above and all you can question is the whereabouts of missing persons? Thats like saying OJ is innocent because you cant find the knife?!!!!!

    You have a great deal to learn or you are just another gatekeeper. Take care sir.

  37. I believe the burden of proof related to the passengers is on those who claim that they never existed. I’ve heard that “there has to be debris in order for their to be a plane crash” and that is psychobabble verbiage.

    Please explain how one can short an individual rig. Do you even know what shorting is? Have you ever been involved in finance at all? Haliburton was on the rig because it was doing the work to seal the rig. Do you know the process of drilling and completing a well before it comes into production?

    I don’t know that there were not WMD’s in Iraq. I do know that none were found. I do not know that OJ Simpson committed or did not commit murder. I do know he was found not guilty. The fact that you seem to indicate that you “know” anything with certainty also tends to diminish your credibility.

    Please do not bother patronizing me with the “take care,sir.” You are talking trash to me and trying be condescending even though it seems apparent that you are simply regurgitating what someone else has told you. Most of the time when I see or read stuff like from this perspective, it typically is lacking in understanding of basic physics. Also, you come up with very odd positions like proving that people no longer exist or ever did exist on planes that everyone saw disintigrate yet you want to say never existed because somoene told you that there was no wreckage and you choose to believe that even though you never were on the site to inspect yourself.

    You choose to believe what you want to believe. I challenge you to find the husbands, wives, sons, daughters, mothers and fathers of those who died and tell them you do not believe that their loved ones either never existed, are still alive or did not die. Tell them to prove that their loved ones are dead. If you do, then I might suggest that you wear body armour because people tend to not react kindly to offensive attacks such as you propose.

    I believe that you are a coward. You hide and do not allow for anyone to contact you. Honestly, your unsubstantiated charges regarding those who were killed are so offensive that I just may pull all of your comments. You better have some hard evidence and if not, you should stop such accusations, if you have any sense of morality and care for your fellow man.

  38. F=MA.

  39. Thank you. Do you know how to derive Mr. Newton’s law?

  40. All the Conspiracy Nut Jobs coming out of the woodwork here. If there is not 1 piece of either of the planes found have the Conspiracy Theorists used their noggins to determine that perhaps, just perhaps “BECAUSE ALL THE PARTS OF THE PLANES MELTED FROM THE BURNING FIRES”.

    Well, I guess Charlie Sheen and R. O’Donnell troll these kind of sites to get inspiration to their delusional worlds.

  41. If you search for the truth and then, when you find it and reject it because it doesn’t fit your world view, then why search for the truth? It’s often a mistake to draw a conclusion and then try to make the facts fit your conclusion. Humans tend to have a hard time admitting when they are wrong.

  42. The Empire State building gets hit by a plane but it does not fall down !

  43. A jumbo jet full of jet fuel flew into each of the Trade Center towers. Go lay on the couch and eat potato chips

  44. Yes. Thank you very much. Since you read the piece, then you obviously know that was stated.

  45. I’ve learned that the floors where the airplane impacted are not used by the public which the express elevators bypass them all together so it’s very possible terrorist used bombs in strategic places to take out the upper floors.

    Remember in 93 the plan was for the truck bomb to knock out the main support pillars to topple the towers and when they realized it didn’t work the next best thing is to take it out from the top somehow.

    The plane thing is a cover up likely because the government doesn’t want to admit the upper floors of buildings are vulnerable to bombing plots.

    A much more likely theory is the remote controlled hijacking because of a number of things. Here is a website explaining some stuff such as Global Hawk technology which was around earlier that year with news articles.
    http://911review.com/means/remotecontrol.html

    and another site. http://www.oilempire.us/remote.html

  46. Also during the hijackings of the airplanes one of the crew members tried to get into the locked cockpit before the impact to get the pilots attention yet it was totally quiet in there.

    If the terrorist were in there you would at least hear heavy breathing or some kind of noise to indicate someone was at the controls plus the supposed pilots knew karate with black belts so the pilots would not give up without some kind of fight/struggle.

    Also the 2nd tower should not have collapsed even if heat fuel did weakend the steel because the plane hit at an angle where most of the fuel belched out into free air.

    Don’t forget the firefighters last transmission was that they could take it out with three lines as they knew the type of fire they were dealing with and several firefighters admit to secondary explosives going on in there which they were planning to evacuate themselves when the ugly towers fell.

    (Yes I think the World Trade Center was ugly from the get go and personally like the Empire State Building TONS better) Long live the ESB!

    If you really think about it the timing of everything required such as NOAA not responding and the personal of the airplane not fighting back is nothing short of incredible because in real life if something went wrong the whole 9-11 plan would be foiled no matter how much you are trained to be a terrorist.

    All it takes is just one person to screw something up and it’s over.

  47. NOAA has NO excuses as the airplanes were running around for over an hour and simply unplugging the transponder is not enough to fool them as they are trained to spot planes that go off course.

    All flights follow a vector path and the moment the plane went off course it would be the only one flying an erratic pattern towards New York City which by the way is a no fly zone unless you ask permission to land a long ways out.

  48. About bombings. I believe it’s very possible to blow a building up from the top down. So I guess it would be blowing a building down instead of up?

  49. This is a very interesting debate.

    I do not believe for a second that 3 steel frame building collapsed from fire. Check out some of the other high rise fires on youtube. You will see building completely burned out from fire and none fell. Try to find another high rise that collapsed from fire, you will not find them.

    Watch this video http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/911-explosive-evidence-experts-speak-out This is a long video with tons of the top experts in architects, structural engineers, physicists, chemical engineers, firefighters, metallurgists, explosives experts, controlled demolition technicians, and more. The experts that say the buildings collapsed from the planes and fire mostly work for the government.

    I do not believe that there were no planes, however no commercial planes is very possible. Most witnesses and all of the videos show no evidence that the planes were in fact American Airlines planes. Most people say the planes were gray or black which is also what is seen in the videos.

    If you want to talk about witnesses to the pentagon here is what I would call the most credible witnesses and why it could not have happened the way it was said to happen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o Many of these stories can be verified through other means online.

    Watch these 2 videos and tell me it don’t form and type of doubt about the official story. Check out firefightersfor911truth.

    It is not just a group of crazies that don’t believe the official story there are many experts.

    Just think how much had to go wrong for this attack to be carried off the way it has been fed to us and how lucky the bad guys would have had to be. From getting through security, using box cutters to take over the planes, being able to fly the planes in a way skilled pilots couldn’t even do, not getting intercepted, 3 buildings collapsing from fire, flying into the pentagon (after the pentagon being notified of the attacks) without being shot down, hitting the pentagon in just the right spot (do a search to find out why that was the right spot), the list just goes on and on.

  50. the people that built the twin towers said on national tv that they were built to take mutiple airline strikes and survive

  51. What a fascinating read. As an Australian I have always been intrigued by the 911 attacks but this no plane theory is a new one to me.

    The people commenting make some fantastic accusations and to my mind, if only ten percent of them were to be proven fact then a government conspiracy could surely be the only valid scenario
    .
    I am definitely interested in hearing more about this no plane theory however they way it is jammed down ones throat leaves a bad taste in ones mouth.,

    We should be able to agree that the technology certainly existed at the time to edit in a plane. (if that were the case)

    It does make one curious given the way the NSB conducts their investigations that no engines were ever found?
    Also I certainly would love to hear more information as to why the clean up was handled as it was and how that was justified given that it was a crime scene.

    I do believe that 911 was a terrorist attack. Finding out who the terrorists really are will keep me coming back for more.

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