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		<title>By: symonsez</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate your well thought out point of view.  I&quot;m sure others would also be pleased.  A problem with investigating history is that often, we tend to look for things that support our position.  So, say, if you were a Brit looking at World War II, you may only read books that are favorable to Field Marshall Montgomery and stay away from those who may be critical.  This is especially true of you were someone who always grew up thinking that Monty was the greatest.  We tend to shy away from things that may upset our worldview.  After all, it can be quite shattering to find that what you believed was true your whole life was not true.  I&#039;ve wondered about people who say they look for truth but when they find it and it doesn&#039;t fit what they are looking for, they move on...which makes the whole exercise futile.  By no means am I an expert on Woodhull and only had limited sources.  It&#039;s for that reason I have rejected teachers who have asked to use my material for their class as I explain that I have no citations and, on many subjects, have not even approached being literate in the entire historiography.  Some things, that is not the case.  In the case of Woodhull as with others on these here pages, my intent is simply to introduce a relatively unknown person and express a point of view in a somewhat entertaining fashion.  Hopefully, this will spark folks to look up more on their own.  My guess is that with Woodhull, there is probably some truth to the criticisms of her and there has been some revisionist history going on.  Or perhaps, her views at one point of her life are different than they were at a different point...as is the case with most of us.  Age and wisdom tends to alter our world view. I certainly do not look at the world the same way as I did 30 years ago.  However, I also suspect that there is truth in some of what those who oppose critics of Woodhull have to say.  The real Victoria Woodhull probably lived somewhere in between.  It is my hope that folks will take the time to review the life and times of Ms. Woodhull as she was someone of some significance who is most often lost in the pages of American history.   Really, thank you for your contribution.  

Just a note...I did not say that I said she was an antithesis of motherhood, but instead said that many considered her that.  I would stand by that statement.  There are many of her day and thereafter that held that view but, there are others who would say otherwise. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your well thought out point of view.  I&#8221;m sure others would also be pleased.  A problem with investigating history is that often, we tend to look for things that support our position.  So, say, if you were a Brit looking at World War II, you may only read books that are favorable to Field Marshall Montgomery and stay away from those who may be critical.  This is especially true of you were someone who always grew up thinking that Monty was the greatest.  We tend to shy away from things that may upset our worldview.  After all, it can be quite shattering to find that what you believed was true your whole life was not true.  I&#8217;ve wondered about people who say they look for truth but when they find it and it doesn&#8217;t fit what they are looking for, they move on&#8230;which makes the whole exercise futile.  By no means am I an expert on Woodhull and only had limited sources.  It&#8217;s for that reason I have rejected teachers who have asked to use my material for their class as I explain that I have no citations and, on many subjects, have not even approached being literate in the entire historiography.  Some things, that is not the case.  In the case of Woodhull as with others on these here pages, my intent is simply to introduce a relatively unknown person and express a point of view in a somewhat entertaining fashion.  Hopefully, this will spark folks to look up more on their own.  My guess is that with Woodhull, there is probably some truth to the criticisms of her and there has been some revisionist history going on.  Or perhaps, her views at one point of her life are different than they were at a different point&#8230;as is the case with most of us.  Age and wisdom tends to alter our world view. I certainly do not look at the world the same way as I did 30 years ago.  However, I also suspect that there is truth in some of what those who oppose critics of Woodhull have to say.  The real Victoria Woodhull probably lived somewhere in between.  It is my hope that folks will take the time to review the life and times of Ms. Woodhull as she was someone of some significance who is most often lost in the pages of American history.   Really, thank you for your contribution.  </p>
<p>Just a note&#8230;I did not say that I said she was an antithesis of motherhood, but instead said that many considered her that.  I would stand by that statement.  There are many of her day and thereafter that held that view but, there are others who would say otherwise. </p>
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		<title>By: Victoria Woodhull &#38; Company</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for clarifying the information about Woodhull&#039;s abortion views.  MoonChild2 is correct that Woodhull&#039;s platform didn&#039;t promote abortion.  (For that matter, the platform didn&#039;t promote legalization of prostitution or easy divorce unless you think they fall under &quot;the rights of adult individuals to pursue happiness as they may choose...&quot; Those were topics she discussed in her newspaper and lectures before she even ran for office.) While I agree with MoonChild02 that Woodhull was against abortion and called it murder, you&#039;re correct that she didn&#039;t want to make it illegal. Feminists for Life often conveniently omits that fact.

Like Sarah Palin, Woodhull gave birth to a &quot;special needs&quot; child.  She didn&#039;t abort him.  His name was Byron Woodhull.  He was cared for by various family members until he died in 1932 at that age of 77.  In fact, my great-great-grandmother&#039;s brother-in-law took care of Byron when Woodhull was married to Colonel Blood.  Byron&#039;s disability led Woodhull to conclude that women needed to learn about sex, physiology and prenatal care in order to bear healthy children.  She blamed Byron&#039;s condition, in part, on her sexual ignorance and wished to save other women from the same fate. If she were alive today, she&#039;d object strenuously to your depiction of her as the antithesis of motherhood, because she believed motherhood was the highest calling a woman could have.

I could go on and on about her views on free love, too, but instead I&#039;ll quote from page 5 of James R. Petersen&#039;s &quot;The Century of Sex.&quot; 
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;To the modern ear the term [free love] evokes images of hippies cavorting in hot tubs, of couples tangling in satin sheets on water beds, of naked bodies slithering through Wesson Oil orgies.  Her intent was more noble.  Woodhull challenged the authority of the church and state to dictate affairs of the heart.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for clarifying the information about Woodhull&#8217;s abortion views.  MoonChild2 is correct that Woodhull&#8217;s platform didn&#8217;t promote abortion.  (For that matter, the platform didn&#8217;t promote legalization of prostitution or easy divorce unless you think they fall under &#8220;the rights of adult individuals to pursue happiness as they may choose&#8230;&#8221; Those were topics she discussed in her newspaper and lectures before she even ran for office.) While I agree with MoonChild02 that Woodhull was against abortion and called it murder, you&#8217;re correct that she didn&#8217;t want to make it illegal. Feminists for Life often conveniently omits that fact.</p>
<p>Like Sarah Palin, Woodhull gave birth to a &#8220;special needs&#8221; child.  She didn&#8217;t abort him.  His name was Byron Woodhull.  He was cared for by various family members until he died in 1932 at that age of 77.  In fact, my great-great-grandmother&#8217;s brother-in-law took care of Byron when Woodhull was married to Colonel Blood.  Byron&#8217;s disability led Woodhull to conclude that women needed to learn about sex, physiology and prenatal care in order to bear healthy children.  She blamed Byron&#8217;s condition, in part, on her sexual ignorance and wished to save other women from the same fate. If she were alive today, she&#8217;d object strenuously to your depiction of her as the antithesis of motherhood, because she believed motherhood was the highest calling a woman could have.</p>
<p>I could go on and on about her views on free love, too, but instead I&#8217;ll quote from page 5 of James R. Petersen&#8217;s &#8220;The Century of Sex.&#8221; </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;To the modern ear the term [free love] evokes images of hippies cavorting in hot tubs, of couples tangling in satin sheets on water beds, of naked bodies slithering through Wesson Oil orgies.  Her intent was more noble.  Woodhull challenged the authority of the church and state to dictate affairs of the heart.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: symonsezwlky</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 19:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have responded in the text.  I believe that more homework should be done by those who cast stones and only know half the story, or only relate the part of the story that supports their position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have responded in the text.  I believe that more homework should be done by those who cast stones and only know half the story, or only relate the part of the story that supports their position.</p>
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		<title>By: MoonChild02</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 12:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Her platform was as a &#039;free-thinking reformer&#039; and supported...abortion.&quot; Completely and utterly FALSE.

Quotes from Victoria Woodhull:
&quot;The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the foetus.&quot; -Woodhull&#039;s and Claflin&#039;s Weekly 2(6):4 December 24, 1870 

&quot;Every woman knows that if she were free, she would never bear an unwished-for child, nor think of murdering one before its birth.&quot;
-Wheeling, West Virginia Evening Standard, November 17, 1875 

Another editorial from Woodhull&#039;s and Claflin&#039;s Weekly, “When Is It Not Murder to Take Life?”, argued:

    &quot;Every one will concede that it is murder to take the life of a human being. But the very pertinent question arises just here, when does human life begin? The beating of the heart, modern science tells us, never begins; that is to say, there is no time in the whole process of the growth of the human body from the moment of conception until death, that pulsations of life are not present in what is to develop into the perfected body. Where, then, shall the line be drawn, on one side of which it shall be murder to cause these pulsations to cease, and upon the other not murder?

    &quot;...Many women who would be shocked at the very thought of killing their children after birth, deliberately destroy them previously. If there is any difference in the actual crime we should be glad to have those who practice the latter, point it out. The truth of the matter is that it is just as much a murder to destroy life in its embryotic condition, as it is to destroy it after the fully developed form is attained, for it is the self-same life that is taken.

    &quot;...[T]hey who, having conceived [children] then destroy them, are murderers; and no amount of sophistry nor excuses can, by one iota, mitigate the enormity of the crime. They do even more than murder, they virtually commit suicide, for no woman can practice this crime without in part destroying her own life.

    &quot;...[W]hile we shall at all times freely discuss the matter, objectively as to its results, we shall not forget to look at the matter subjectively, to find the remedy, which, if we mistake not, is in granting freedom and equality to woman.&quot;

More here by someone who has actually done their homework:
http://www.feministsforlife.org/FeminismCourse/woodhull.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Her platform was as a &#8216;free-thinking reformer&#8217; and supported&#8230;abortion.&#8221; Completely and utterly FALSE.</p>
<p>Quotes from Victoria Woodhull:<br />
&#8220;The rights of children as individuals begin while yet they remain the foetus.&#8221; -Woodhull&#8217;s and Claflin&#8217;s Weekly 2(6):4 December 24, 1870 </p>
<p>&#8220;Every woman knows that if she were free, she would never bear an unwished-for child, nor think of murdering one before its birth.&#8221;<br />
-Wheeling, West Virginia Evening Standard, November 17, 1875 </p>
<p>Another editorial from Woodhull&#8217;s and Claflin&#8217;s Weekly, “When Is It Not Murder to Take Life?”, argued:</p>
<p>    &#8220;Every one will concede that it is murder to take the life of a human being. But the very pertinent question arises just here, when does human life begin? The beating of the heart, modern science tells us, never begins; that is to say, there is no time in the whole process of the growth of the human body from the moment of conception until death, that pulsations of life are not present in what is to develop into the perfected body. Where, then, shall the line be drawn, on one side of which it shall be murder to cause these pulsations to cease, and upon the other not murder?</p>
<p>    &#8220;&#8230;Many women who would be shocked at the very thought of killing their children after birth, deliberately destroy them previously. If there is any difference in the actual crime we should be glad to have those who practice the latter, point it out. The truth of the matter is that it is just as much a murder to destroy life in its embryotic condition, as it is to destroy it after the fully developed form is attained, for it is the self-same life that is taken.</p>
<p>    &#8220;&#8230;[T]hey who, having conceived [children] then destroy them, are murderers; and no amount of sophistry nor excuses can, by one iota, mitigate the enormity of the crime. They do even more than murder, they virtually commit suicide, for no woman can practice this crime without in part destroying her own life.</p>
<p>    &#8220;&#8230;[W]hile we shall at all times freely discuss the matter, objectively as to its results, we shall not forget to look at the matter subjectively, to find the remedy, which, if we mistake not, is in granting freedom and equality to woman.&#8221;</p>
<p>More here by someone who has actually done their homework:<br />
<a href="http://www.feministsforlife.org/FeminismCourse/woodhull.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.feministsforlife.org/FeminismCourse/woodhull.htm</a></p>
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